Final 4 is set

Ken Lagerquist · Post by **Ken Lagerquist** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:16 am

Ok guys, as u all know, for the first time ever, ALL 4 #1s made it in. That being said, has your pick to win it changed??? I know mine hasnt, should be a GREAT Final 4, and i am looking forward to it!!! UNC over UCLA is my pick. time will tell is it plays out.

Casey Fisher · Post by **Casey Fisher** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:15 am

I may be in the minority, but I am not happy that it is all four #1 seeds. I like having an underdog or two in the mix, or at least a two or three seed. I wish Davidson would have won so bad yesterday. Stephen Curry is my new hero!!! That being said, I think Carolina will have no problem with Kansas and will beat them by 15 to 20 points. The UCLA/Memphis game is the one I am interested in. Who ever controls the tempo will win. If the score is in the 70's or 80's, Memphis will win; but if it is in the 50's or 60's, the Bruins will win. I remember two years ago in the Elite 8 when these two teams played and UCLA controlled the tempo and beat the run and gun Memphis squad 56-41. I don't think that will happen this year though as Memphis looked awfully good yesterday against Texas. I predict Memphis to get the Bruins this year in a close one.

Brian Stovern · Post by **Brian Stovern** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:49 am

Casey Fisher wrote:I may be in the minority, but I am not happy that it is all four #1 seeds. I like having an underdog or two in the mix, or at least a two or three seed. I wish Davidson would have won so bad yesterday. Stephen Curry is my new hero!!! That being said, I think Carolina will have no problem with Kansas and will beat them by 15 to 20 points. The UCLA/Memphis game is the one I am interested in. Who ever controls the tempo will win. If the score is in the 70's or 80's, Memphis will win; but if it is in the 50's or 60's, the Bruins will win. I remember two years ago in the Elite 8 when these two teams played and UCLA controlled the tempo and beat the run and gun Memphis squad 56-41. I don't think that will happen this year though as Memphis looked awfully good yesterday against Texas. I predict Memphis to get the Bruins this year in a close one.

I was hoping for and underdog as well. I was rooting for Davidson even though they beat the Zags. I thought they played a great game, but Curry just went cold for about 5 or ten minutes late in the 2nd half. I still didn't understand the final play. You have your star 2 guard act like a point guard and set up the play and eventually pass off to your point guard for a 30' shot? Why not stick with what works, run Curry off some screens and find a shot. He's so clever finding an opening off of screens, but not quite as good off the dribble. That still doesn't make sense to me.

Casey Fisher · Post by **Casey Fisher** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:25 am

Brian Stovern wrote:I was hoping for and underdog as well. I was rooting for Davidson even though they beat the Zags. I thought they played a great game, but Curry just went cold for about 5 or ten minutes late in the 2nd half. I still didn't understand the final play. You have your star 2 guard act like a point guard and set up the play and eventually pass off to your point guard for a 30' shot? Why not stick with what works, run Curry off some screens and find a shot. He's so clever finding an opening off of screens, but not quite as good off the dribble. That still doesn't make sense to me.

I totally agree Brian. If they were going to do that crappy play of Curry just creating on his own, he should have took it to the basket and he probably would have got fouled. They should have had the rock in their point guard's hands as he led the nation in assists this season, and had him create and look for Curry coming off screens like you said.

Casey Fisher · Post by **Casey Fisher** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:15 pm

BTW, Stephen Curry announced he will come back to school for his Junior season. They are losing their stud point guard though, but Curry should light it up for Adam Morrison/J.J. Redick type numbers next year.

Brian Stovern · Post by **Brian Stovern** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:38 pm

Casey Fisher wrote:BTW, Stephen Curry announced he will come back to school for his Junior season. They are losing their stud point guard though, but Curry should light it up for Adam Morrison/J.J. Redick type numbers next year.

As much as I like seeing him come back to school, I'm not sure it's the greatest move for him. He's probably not going to grow taller, or get quicker. Might get a bit better handling the ball. I just think everyone remembers him right now, and if he scores 28 a game next year and they lose in the first round he'll get drafted lower than he would right now. He should at least test the waters. any thoughts on the stay vs. go pro argument? or at least head to the draft camp.

Casey Fisher · Post by **Casey Fisher** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:01 pm

I think the knock on Curry right now is that he needs to hit the weight room through next year or he will get bullied/pushed around, so in that sense I see him coming back. That being said, I agree with you in that his draft stock is probably at its peak right now and may go down next season... In reality, how good can the kid play next year. He just had an NCAA Tournament for the ages, especially when you consider he took "Davidson" to one shot away from the Final 4...

Ken Lagerquist · Post by **Ken Lagerquist** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:27 pm

Casey Fisher wrote:I think the knock on Curry right now is that he needs to hit the weight room through next year or he will get bullied/pushed around, so in that sense I see him coming back. That being said, I agree with you in that his draft stock is probably at its peak right now and may go down next season... In reality, how good can the kid play next year. He just had an NCAA Tournament for the ages, especially when you consider he took "Davidson" to one shot away from the Final 4...

I agree with you Casey abotu him needing to hit the weight room. He also has said that he will be the point guard next year, so that means he wants to work on his ball handling skills. Yes he has the shooting skills to play in the NBA right now, but his overall game is not ready. I dont think his stock will fall as much as you guys think if it does at all. The kid can flat out ball and will only get better. He and his dad know better than anyone if he is ready or not. And i am sure his dad has been advising him alot. Davidson is only losing one good player and that is their point guard, so they will be good to go.

Post by **Simon Miller** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:39 pm

That last play for Davidson was a Travishamockery. Complete disaster.

Brian Stovern · Post by **Brian Stovern** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:00 am

I agree in one sense. He can come out right now as a 3 point gunner. Basically be what his dad was. If he wants to be a star, then he better learn to be a point guard. I think he has the ball handling and passing in him (with some work). I just wonder about the lateral quickness to guard guys, and get by guys in the pros. Since he can really shoot, it may not matter. He'll have guys on their toes all the time trying to defend his shot so it will be easier to get by them.

Ken Lagerquist · Post by **Ken Lagerquist** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:29 pm

I also feel he can get his shot off better than anyone i have seen in a LOOOONG time in the college game. Even better than JJ Redick or someone like him. Curry is a lot of fun to watch and once he matures some and fills out a little from the weight room, he will be a great addition to the NBA. Im sure he wants to be more well rounded than his dad was.

Brian Stovern · Post by **Brian Stovern** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:46 pm

Ken Lagerquist wrote:I also feel he can get his shot off better than anyone i have seen in a LOOOONG time in the college game. Even better than JJ Redick or someone like him. Curry is a lot of fun to watch and once he matures some and fills out a little from the weight room, he will be a great addition to the NBA. Im sure he wants to be more well rounded than his dad was.

He also finishes inside better than anyone his size has a right too! I'm not sure that will continue to translate in the NBA with 6'10" power forwards and 7' centers, but it might.

Casey Fisher · Post by **Casey Fisher** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:02 pm

By the way both Brook & Robin Lopez both entered the NBA draft.

Ken Lagerquist · Post by **Ken Lagerquist** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:11 pm

Casey Fisher wrote:By the way both Brook & Robin Lopez both entered the NBA draft.

They are scrubs, they have a LOOOONG way to go. those two should have dominated college basketball. they could be alot better. And mayeb they will improve, but i dont see them being any better than the Collins twins

Post by **Simon Miller** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:22 pm

Casey Fisher wrote:By the way both Brook & Robin Lopez both entered the NBA draft.

I am officially sick of the Lopez twins. I hope they go to the NBA and get 0wn3d

Ken Lagerquist · Post by **Ken Lagerquist** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:39 pm

Simon Miller wrote:
Casey Fisher wrote:By the way both Brook & Robin Lopez both entered the NBA draft.
I am officially sick of the Lopez twins. I hope they go to the NBA and get 0wn3d

They will. no worries there Simon!

Brian Stovern · Post by **Brian Stovern** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:47 am

I agree Lopez twins = Collins twins. At best. Might not even be that good.

Casey Fisher · Post by **Casey Fisher** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:37 am

I agree with you guys that I don't like the Lopez twins, but I disagree in that they are not as good as the Collins twins. I think both Brook and Robin will be better than the Collins twins. Brook and Robin are much more athletic. Brook is a very good scorer. Did you see how he took over that Marquette game. He single handedly won it for them in the paint. It was Tim Duncan-esque. I think Brook has the ability to be a 15 point, 8 rebound per game player in the NBA. Robin doesn't have near the offensive skills as his brother, but he is a better rebounder and defender. He is more of a true center while Robin is more of a power forward. Both can block shots. I think the only thing the Collins twins have on them is a little bit more size... Brook is a head-case, but so is half the rest of the NBA playaz, so he should fit right in.

Brian Stovern · Post by **Brian Stovern** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:52 am

Casey Fisher wrote:I agree with you guys that I don't like the Lopez twins, but I disagree in that they are not as good as the Collins twins. I think both Brook and Robin will be better than the Collins twins. Brook and Robin are much more athletic. Brook is a very good scorer. Did you see how he took over that Marquette game. He single handedly won it for them in the paint. It was Tim Duncan-esque. I think Brook has the ability to be a 15 point, 8 rebound per game player in the NBA. Robin doesn't have near the offensive skills as his brother, but he is a better rebounder and defender. He is more of a true center while Robin is more of a power forward. Both can block shots. I think the only thing the Collins twins have on them is a little bit more size... Brook is a head-case, but so is half the rest of the NBA playaz, so he should fit right in.

Brook might be good for 15 and 8, but I'm not convinced just yet. I know if I was a GM in the NBA I wouldn't waste a pick above 20 on brook, and nothing in the first round on Robin. I just wouldn't want to waste a lottery pick on a center with a ceiling of 15 and 8 so so defense and rebounding. Having said that, there are probably 10-15 teams in the NBA right now that would kill for that production out of their center. So he'll probably go higher.

Ken Lagerquist · Post by **Ken Lagerquist** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:12 pm

Not to derail this thread at all, But Casey, did you see the Farewell last night for Ric Flair??? Pretty Dang good!!!! It was Awesome, and well deserved for "THE MAN"!!!!!